Ah well- at least we have been put out of our misery - and I include Garde in that!

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So who do you want and why?

I would go for Pearson as I think the players we have need a strong character to whip them into shape. He is Championship experienced and might turn things around quickly IF he is given the right backing.

Manager, Rémi Garde, has today left Aston Villa Football Club by mutual consent.

The Club would like to place on record its sincere thanks to Rémi for all his efforts during a difficult period and wish him well in the future.

Eric Black will take over as acting manager until the Club appoints a new manager.

There will be no further comment from the Club at this stage.

"A difficult period"? They must be having a laugh. Remi is the only person to escape from this with his integrity intact. To appoint a manager and then not back him at all in the due transfer window is unprecedented. To leave the manager desperately doing all he can to avoid relegation while taking away the only realistic means of avoiding that is the lowest I can remember this club sinking to in the 60 years I have been a supporter of it. I think Remi is owed a profound apology; as the statement above shows he won't get one. The club will be lucky if this does not have long term consequences. Some in the dressing room may be cheering; I fear the players who could be our future will be totally cheesed off.

In one sense it's the break we need. But we still have 7 matches to negotiate, with nothing to relieve the gloom. A new manager might just do it. But will we get the right one? The light at the end of the tunnel has yet to appear.

Anyway, here's good luck to Remi. Hope he gets another crack at a decent club.

McParland, i understand your frustration, but you need to take the rose tinted glasses off on this one. Don't put Garde into the Houllier camp of 'oh what could have been'. 

Garde was let down by the club, the board and the players - all by differing degrees - we all know that.

However, Garde also let down the club, the players and the fans massively. 

He was tasked with improving things when he arrived. Up until January 1st - he hadn't won a game. He arrived 2nd of November - so he had two full months to start an improvement in the side before money would be spent. He didn't win one, and lost two or three games to direct relegation rivals, losing ground to safety in the meantime - while being overtaken by Sunderland - who had started his reign below us. 

Then leading up to and including the transfer window he talked openly about other teams players - Remy, Debuchy, and Mandana - which annoyed rival managers and made himself and the club look amateurish. 

The club did back him - sanctioning moves for Kalinic (6m work permit refused) and Doumbia (decided to go to Sunderland). By all accounts he could have got other players in, but they were not willing to come due to the situation we were in  - which lest you forget Garde had done absolutely nothing to improve. The Debuchy deal is often touted as being representative of the board meddling - in my opinion paying an ageing french right back 70,000 a week was not a step forward at all - and was not going to go anywhere near saving us. We needed a striker first and foremost. 

Garde then lost complete interest - started blaming the players and the board for everything - refusing to take any responsibility himself - all the while cutting a more dejected figure every week. He never got us playing better - and improved results for a period of about five or six games where we got a few draws. 

So yes, maybe he will do better for another club - but he was woefully short of experience, knowledge, and technical ability for the position we were in - and i personally am glad he is gone. 

You can blame the board all you like if it makes you feel better. Yes, they made mistakes - we all know that - but ultimately their biggest was thinking that Garde was the man to get us out of the mess we were in. In hindsight - he so wasn't. 

Here! Here! umma08 couldn't have put it any better.

You make some fair points Umma but you do not mention the poor performances of the players in particular the so called senior players.

You cannot blame Remi for the last defeat but you could easily blame Guzan, what is a manager to do about that?

There is also speculation in regard to players said not to be interested in joining us in January who were also reported to have said nobody approached me.

The fact is Remi was appointed by the old regime and I suppose for that reason was doomed.

I will be very interested to see who is appointed because whoever it is we can set about hating him as we have done with Remi, Sherwood, Lambert, Mcleish, Houllier, O'Neill etc.

None of the names presented so far fill me with any confidence at all and I am becoming resigned to us at best being an also ran......

Remi has had a hard time,but he!! picks the 11 starters,shapes how we play,decides who takes penalties,goes through set pieces. The way he sets up should not be underestimated,yes they are poor but could he have got more points. I think yes, in fact I will say it again I believe IF!! we had gone for a manager with good Premiership experience we would still be in it.

Picks the 11 starters..... from what????? He drops Gabby, amid cheers from the fans, then has to play him because there's nobody else. Garde picked the players he wanted to play, but that was far short of 11. He's forced to make do with players he's already fallen out with because the lazy *****s won't go for his training methods. Get real.

Could he have got more points? Yep. In his last game we were on course for 1 or even 3, until Guzan .....!

He's down as being the 2nd worst appointed manager in the Premiership. " shaping the team" determines how you attack, defend set pieces,number of forwards,midfielders defenders.

This can be the difference between winning and loosing. He's been terrible at that. He doesn't in my opinion understand our league. That why he's gone.

Come on, his team was better shaped than Sherwood's, a lot, which is why his record this season is better than Sherwood's:

Sherwood          W1 D1 L8     4 points from 10 games

Remi                  W2 D6 L12   12 points from 20 games

And Sherwood had the advantage of choosing a lot of the players and a full pre-season.

So I can't see how Remi can be the second worst appointed PL manager. Unless Sherwood is the worst.

In fact neither is. Both were stymied by a hugely unbalanced squad which had almost nothing on the attacking front. Try "shaping" that.

"how you attack, defend set pieces,number of forwards,midfielders defenders" : This is cloud-cuckoo land stuff. They only had the players they had. Remi ending up having to play Gabby!!!!

Umma - try looking at the facts. Garde drew his first game, against top Man C, only the second point the club had gained over 11 games. That showed the magnitude of his task. It was also something of an achievement.

He lost against Everton (surprise?) and Watford when the old failings reared their head, but then had a run of 3 draws in 4 matches. Overall in his first 8 matches (Man C to Norwich) he had W0 D4 L4. We needed wins but don't say that wasn't considerably better than Sherwood. The signings Sherwood discarded were back in and we were playing noticeably more cohesive football.

He started the second half of the season with the Sunderland loss, but over the next 6 games had W2 D2 L2. We were on a better run than nearly everybody in the bottom half of the table. 8 points from 6 matches is decent if not spectacular. Don't tell me Garde didn't improve things. And he did it without the reinforcements he had been promised.

He finished with 6 losses, but looking at who we were playing only Stoke and Swansea were reasonable possibilities for points; against both we threw points away with stupid mistakes, the curse of the current Villa side. If we'd invested in at least a decent attacker then we could have countered those mistakes.

The transfer window was nothing to do with Remi upsetting other managers; where on earth did you get that from? It was everything to do with the clown owning the club giving up and withdrawing funds, and with Remi being actively undermined by the club management. The players who he was told were not willing to come were in fact not approached by the club, as he found out.

No blaming the board doesn't make me feel better; it makes me feel sick. I've no doubt that Remi, once he realised the club had shafted him over signings, knew what was coming, and the thrashing by Liverpool confirmed that. What do you expect him to look, happy? Leave that for the overpaid scum who we pay large sums to to not perform on the pitch.

Believe your own narrative if you like that Remi should have done better. That dangerously ignores the reality of the state the club was in and the negativity surrounding some critical parts of the squad . Remi is not the issue. The issue is one which is still there and which leaves whoever takes over the reigns a massive task. Let's hope he's up to it.

Umma - try looking at the facts.

OK  we will look at the facts then - as you see fit  - blissfully ignorant of the fact that Garde did not do a good job while he was at Villa. Unless you take his record as being a good job (10% win ratio from what i have read)

Garde drew his first game, against top Man C, only the second point the club had gained over 11 games. That showed the magnitude of his task. It was also something of an achievement.


Ok. this was a good result - especially given the circumstances. 

He lost against Everton (surprise?) and Watford when the old failings reared their head, but then had a run of 3 draws in 4 matches. Overall in his first 8 matches (Man C to Norwich) he had W0 D4 L4. We needed wins but don't say that wasn't considerably better than Sherwood. The signings Sherwood discarded were back in and we were playing noticeably more cohesive football.

So losing at home against Everton is now a given for us? Ok, i will give you that, but anyway we move on.

At Watford we were pretty bad defensively - if i remember. Ok, so at this point he hasn't made us hard to beat (which should have been objective number 1) and old failings are still there. Ok, we move on. 

What you then just blissfully ignore is our next few games - a few of which were absolutely crucial. 

Southampton 1-1 - ok we will take the point, good result. 

Arsenal 0 - 2 - ok a given, move on

Newcastle 1 - 1 - a game we really needed to win. yet we looked worse than them, and they were pretty bad. 

West Ham 1 - 1 - ok we will take that, good result. 

Norwich 0 -2 - massive game, lost. playing very poorly. 

He started the second half of the season with the Sunderland loss, but over the next 6 games had W2 D2 L2. We were on a better run than nearly everybody in the bottom half of the table. 8 points from 6 matches is decent if not spectacular. Don't tell me Garde didn't improve things. And he did it without the reinforcements he had been promised.

so this is the upturn in form. 8 points from 6 matches. Not bad - though the loss to Sunderland really hurts as they are now above us, and we are adrift. 

Not to mention that others around us are picking up as many, if not more points than us. 

We don't have harder games than them, and we are actually losing ground at this point. But this is your improvement by Garde?

He finished with 6 losses, but looking at who we were playing only Stoke and Swansea were reasonable possibilities for points; against both we threw points away with stupid mistakes, the curse of the current Villa side. If we'd invested in at least a decent attacker then we could have countered those mistakes.

now this is where the rose tinted glasses come out. 

we are at this stage staring relegation in the face.

We have tried to get at least two players in the transfer market and they failed.

There are reports that the board decided enough was enough, there are also reports that nobody wanted to come to us.

At this point there is two ways to go. Either man up and give everything to stay up, or give up.The latter happened, and you cannot deny it. 

We had our worst home in about 30 years or something against Liverpool (who were all over the place defensively at this stage)

And we were abject in every other game - Conceding 12 goals and scoring 2 - not including the Liverpool game. If you include that, the stats are horrendous. 

So your 'good management' by Garde boils down to 2 wins and two draws in 6 weeks starting mid Jan. Apart from that, the results have not been great if we are all honest. 

Yes - as i said he was let down by the board and the players - i have stated that already

But you have to admit - he played a pretty poor game with the hand that he was dealt. He definitely should have done better - and i can almost guarantee that Allardyce would have done a better job. 

Sunderland were not miles better than us - and do not have a squad that is miles better than us - yet they are ten points clear of us now -at the start of Garde's reign they were below us.

In all reality he should never ever have got the job in the first place - and that is the truth of the matter. That was the board's error yes. But it all adds up to the blatant fact that Garde was one of the worst Villa managers ever - even given the circumstances. 

Whatever the rights or wrongs of Garde, he's now gone and it's time to move on. Who do we get now? I don't have a fecking clue, especially after the last few appointments. Hopefully the new members on the Board will have a plan (?) and have the experience to plan for the future and get us out of this mess (I live in hope).

As to the new manager - obviously Moyes, Bruce and Pearsons names will be thrown into the mix; question is can they ( or anyone else for that matter) stop the rot and turn us into a team capable of winning promotion next season - which is something we have to aim at. I know it won't be easy- and if we don't have the right structure and financial backing then we could easily stagnate or worse- but I'm trying to be positive!

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