Swiped from the Villa site, our 25-man official squad.
25 squad players
Player (Home Grown)
Agbonlahor, Gabriel (Yes)
Albrighton, Marc (Yes)
Bacuna, Leandro (No)
Baker, Nathan (Yes)
N'Zogbia, Charles (Yes)
Bennett, Joseph (Yes)
Benteke, Christian (No)
Bowery, Jordan (Yes)
Clark, Ciaran (Yes)
Delph, Fabian (Yes)
El Ahmadi, Karim (No)
Given, Shay (Yes)
Guzan, Bradley (No)
Helenius, Nicklaus (No)
Herd, Christopher (Yes)
Kozak, Libor (No)
Lowton, Matthew (Yes)
Luna Rodriguez, Antonio (No)
Stevens, Enda (No)
Stieber, Andras (Yes)
Sylla, Yacouba (No)
Tonev, Aleksandar (No)
Vlaar, Ron (No)
Weimann, Andreas (Yes)
Westwood, Ashley (Yes)
I'm puzzled. The site states the rules are:-
Following the closure of the summer transfer window on September 2, every top-flight club had a deadline of Wednesday PM to submit their squad of up to 25 players.
This should contain no more than 17 players who do not fulfil the home grown player criteria. The rest of the squad must be home grown.
A home grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday [or the end of the season during which he turns 21].
U21 players are eligible over and above the limit of 25 players per squad.
Now if my maths is correct that list has 11 non-home-grown players. Which leaves only 14 home-grown players.
OK, my mistake. We have less than 17 non-home-grown players, which is OK. I mis-read it. Interesting that Shay and Charles are classed as home-grown.
Okore appears on the U21 list.
I suppose it is interesting, its just that its pretty wide criteria.
Well shay given was at Blackburn when he was 18,
Nzogbia at newcastle when he was 18
so that would be an FA club for 3 years prior to his 21st which makes them homegrown
Probably no less remarkable than Weimann (austrian) Stieber (hungarian) and Herd (austrailian) also classified as home grown
looking for Steve
to be fair, Alan Hutton has got a raw deal. I was reading today that he had four offers on the table on deadline day, three of which he would have taken, and that no clubs could agree a deal with Villa - for whatever reason that was. His side is that it was the clubs fault, rather than him wanting to keep his wage.
thats interesting, we will have to see if the club responds
at the same time, .. if he really really really wanted to play football somewhere else
he could just approach villa about a mutual termination without the bonanza pay out
then any club can sign him anytime as a free agent
Villa might not agree to a mutual termination. After all, they wouldn't let Bent go because they weren't getting the offers they wanted.
Hutton might not be the player we wanted, but he's a decent player, seems to play well for Scotland. Let's face it, the whole squad had a rough ride under McLeish. I wouldn't judge any of them too harshly. Hutton did well enough for Mallorca to want to keep him.
I think Villa have almost forced him into that ultimatum corner. It is a shame because there's forcing someone out and isolating them, and then there's refusing someone a deal so they can play football for the sake of thousands which you probably would save by having his wages off the books.
At the end of the day, he's not registered in our squad so can't even be picked to play yet we're paying his wages. Why would you not let him go for any offer? Senseless from Villa if you ask me
Stuff Hutton, last season and the one before cost me around 4K following AVFC up and down the country with my boys. Why should we now feel sorry for him because he thinks he has got a bad deal ( 4year & 6M basic, that is 6 million pounds sterling). He didn't care about AVFC when we needed him most and now all of a sudden because he has complained we should feel sorry for him. He got dumped because he was crap and took OUR money and AVFC as fools. If he cared so much why didn't he put that little bit more effort in. Does anyone on here think he went home after a match worrying about AVFC or it's fans! Good riddance, keep your pay check for now you T*****, we will not remember you for anything good, we as fans will remember you as a **** player. We now have a hungry squad who want to play football for AVFC under PL and they know how we appreciate them as supporters. Their is only one way for us now which is onwards and upwards.
There's hardly anyone in our "young and hungry squad who want to play for AVFC" who won't be off if offered a bigger deal from a club playing in Europe. Get real. That's the reality. All, or nearly all, players first loyalty is to their own careers; they would be daft if it wasn't, because any club will dump them the moment it's in the club's interest to do so.
I didn't see Hutton as being any less committed than other players when playing for Villa. The whole team was playing for a manager who only though of defence, but didn't have a clue about organising one; I suspect what we saw on the field was players attempting their own methods of defence to make up for one. Hutton's biggest problem was a tendency to bomb forwards, as wing backs do, which wasn't a great idea if there was hardly anybody else doing the same thing.