First of all lets celebrate for the wonderful comeback yesterday. I honestly didn't think we would have done that seeing our past record at the Bridge but we never gave up the spirit that makes us UNITED!!
Now coming back to the main point. I have seen many of our fans have a feeling of sentimentality towards the old guard. Giggs, Scholes, Rio and Evra are the main culprits. I am of the opinion that apart from Evra all three of them should retire at the end of the season. Scholes most probably will. Giggs for all those years of brilliance really looks finished. Yes he pops in with the odd goal and assist and still has pace(He outpaced Sturridge) but he has been abysmal in his general game. We don't want a Neville situation to happen where he continues to play even when he is past it. So I think he should just retire on a high note.
Most important is Rio. Rio and Maldini were my favourite defenders of all time. Till last year I felt he still had it. But now he seriously looks past it. Has completely lost his pace, doesn't read the game as well he used to, frequent lapses in concentration. He should retire in May. Although I still believe he can play Championship football but would he want to?
Evra is 30. He is still good offensively but defensively he is sh*t and has been for 2 seasons now. We desperately need a left footed left back. (Not Fabio or Fryers) but someone in his peak. Baines is a great shout. Underrated,great going forward and defensively, has a great set piece and crossing, pacy and wouldn't cost much. Evra shouldn't play big games next season.
These guys have been club legends but we need to move ahead and no time for sentiments. We are not a retirement home and Fergie needs to get over his feeling of loyalty.

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Is there anyone at our club that you do like, Red Indian?  Would like to know, as all your posts are "rants" (to use your own favourite word) about most of the United team and staff.

Perhaps its time to go support another team that you approve of more?

Stick to the article topic.

"Evra is 30. He is still good offensively but defensively he is sh*t"

It is not worth debating with a person that can make this statement.  Over and out!

I don't thing there is anything that should bother about that. It's the truth.

I agree with Evra, he has been very off form since the World Cup. Last season I put it down to tiredness but its been going on a long time now. He could do with an extended break I think to try and get his head in the game.

 

Scholes came on yesterday and changed the game. When he came back I was thrilled but very worried but he's been immense. Should he continue on another season? I really don't know but maybe.

 

Giggs I do think is a lot sloppier then he used to be but he adds more creativity than anyone else. He's second with assists in the league. He's the only guy I think would have found Chicha so perfectly for the goal. Could do with a bit of help but still going strong.

 

As for Ferdinand, thought he had a good game yesterday, very calm, very composed. Plays better with Vidic but the only thing really holding him back is injuries. Always like to see him in the team.

 

So I guess I disagree. I think all four still offer something with Evra being the most of a liability. And its these experienced heads which will keep our title challenge ticking along in the tough times.

David
I disagree on some views. Evra has seriously been off form defensively for a long time now. I think it's down to complacency. He knows there is absolutely no competition to his place since Fabio is young and always injured. He needs a kick up his back side. Imo Evra should concentrate more on defending than diving, mouthing off officials, wumming the opposition. Yes I love his commitment on the pitch and we have at least someone who can get into the opposition mind like a Busquets, Pepe etc. But he seriously needs to work on the defensive aspect. His crossing also sucks although you can't blame that on a defender. I do not like the idea of a 30 year old full back. Imo we should sign Baines who imo should start for England instead of Cole. Both Evra and Cole are living off their past reputations. I seriously want Giggs to retire at the end. I will be extremely p*ssed if we don't sign a central midfielder in summer and if Fergie says he can cover there. Also I want a club legend like Giggs to bow down when he was on top like VDSand not embarrass himself. So summer would be the perfect time.
Rio is completely past it. Sorry. As I said that he was my favourite defender of all time but we can all see that he has declined. He gets turned by attackers too often and I don't trust him on 1 on 1s these days. In his prime he was a master that rarely anybody went past him. But these days he seems very slow and cumbersome.
As I have said we ARE not a retirement home and we shouldn't let any sentiments come in the way.

"As I have said we ARE not a retirement home and we shouldn't let any sentiments come in the way."

I find it fairly amusing that you emphasised the word "are" rather than the word "not"

I think we kind of agree on Evra to be honest, for whatever reason he has regressed as a defender. Maybe its tiredness, maybe its lack of competition or maybe he's pulled a Torres and just passed his peak. I don't think Baines is a great choice, he's 27 and will cost a decent amount so I don't see the club going for him. He's a good defender no doubt but I would hope we can find better.


As for Ferdinand, agree to disagree. He's had some bad games this season but so have all our defenders. He still reads the game magnificently and adds a lot of calm to Evans/Smalling when they partner him.

 

Giggs could retire now at the top of his game, but so too could Rooney. Giggs still contributes to the team. Ignore his age and he adds a lot more than Anderson who is over a decade younger. When Giggs stops offering something then he should go but its not this season.

 

This isn't about sentiment, but there's no need to cull the team of its experience to make way for flashy new models just yet. The team looks like they are lacking a bit of experience this year after losing Scholes, VDS, O'Shea and Brown last summer so to follow it up with an unnecessary cut again this year could be catastrophic. We need the players who know how to hold off a new rival like City to pass on their knowledge still and keep the ship steady.

Now coming back to the main point. I have seen many of our fans have a feeling of sentimentality towards the old guard. Giggs, Scholes, Rio and Evra are the main culprits. I am of the opinion that apart from Evra all three of them should retire at the end of the season.

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Whether or not this statement is correct it is certainly ironic. The irony being that Evra had a poor game (again) but the other three players you mentioned played really well imo!!

Roo, Scholes and Giggs were the best players on the pitch imo.

Redmisty

I am not talking about yesterdays game but in general this season. Chelsea were very poor yesterday so you can't blame Rio, Scholes I give it was great but Giggs was nowhere good enough. He crossed well but he tried too much of those fancy tricks and flicks and lost the ball as he has been doing for quite some time and in general slows our play. His pass completion rate must be One of the worst.

I don't think any of them should retire, although a new leftback would be nice. However, relying on a 37 and 38 year old to play in such a high profile game says a lot about our midfield.

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Says alot about our injuries to,which some arnt taking into consideration

Do you really think Ferguson would have liked to rely heavely on Giggs and Scholes this year,because I dont,but there experience is invaluable.

And in the 'top' games its needed.

"Giggs for all those years of brilliance really looks finished. Yes he pops in with the odd goal and assist". Giggs has the second most assists in the PL this season (8), that is more than the "Odd assist". A player who is 38 needs to be rested, and with our injury crisis that's not been an option, be grateful he can still step in and give us that creativity in the middle until we can start to rest him again and use him sparingly.

I'm going to keep asking this same question to you whatever the article topic because twice now you've avoided it and continued to blare on with the same boring, ill educated argument: 'How come you blame Phelan for poor transfers and play, yet want Quieroz back when he recommended Bebe - a player you made an article about slating him?' -it's double standards.

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